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Utwo2  Banned   Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 2 Religion: catholic

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by PJM  OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess: And NO, it's not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth] Heb. 6: 2-8 [caps for emphasis not shouting] TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND "CHURCH" WAS TODAYS CC. "Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]]Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt "IMPOSSIBLE" here does NOT mean that repentace can't take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain. One God Founded only His One Church & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs. There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God! Amen We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period! Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice Heb. 6: 2-8 [caps for emphasis not shouting] TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND "CHURCH" WAS TODAYS CC. are u sure?? saint paul as some people say wrote hebrews around 65 ad, and temple worship was in place at that time-- and saint paul was said to be warning the people that they could not go back to animal sacrifice, as pointed out in hebrews chapter 5- because Jesus was the completed and perfect sacrifice- and no longer bull and goats could do the job. i don't believe the sacramental system of today CC was in place at this time-- all though Baptism is mentioned in this section of verses- so obviously that was part of saint paul commentary . and further more the heavenly gift was said to be the baptism of the Holy Spirit and all of it's manifestations..as in Acts 19 -- in that paul said have you received the Holy Spirit so i also m interested in this unusual sacramental commentary you have posted, and where you copied it from. thanks i m guessing that the counsel of trent had something to do with it

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Layp3rs0n  Regular Member   Join Date: April 1, 2008 Posts: 795 Religion: Catholic

Made a bad Confession I was convicted of a possible mortal sin last minute in Confession. Upon realizing it I panicked. I realized, I was unrepentant. I could not bring myself to want or will to give it up. The priest finished the words of absolution and I felt my heart break. I am so distressed right now. You know what? Here is the sin I realized. I often visit my girlfriend at her house. We snuggle up and watch tv then I go home. Chastity for me has mostly been easy for me lately. I have little to no problems telling myself no. For her, I think it is more difficult. I am sure she feels tempted by my presence. In other words, I am occasionally a near occasion to her, as she has admitted to wanting to "make out" and stuff. I am guilty of being unwilling to repent of this in the confessional. I love seeing her. She often cooks meals for me. When I am with her at her house I feel at home. I rarely feel that way. But I still committed sacrilege and feel destitute in spirit now. I want to be able to visit my girlfriend and not tempt her or cause her thoughts to stir. Because I feel so torn I feel worthless. A terrible servant of God. Help. __________________ It is a good thing we have Apostolic Tradition backing up the fourth Marian dogma...otherwise it would only be a matter of Assumption.

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JimR-OCDS  Veteran Member   Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,290 Religion: Catholic

Re: Made a bad Confession I fail to see where you sinned ? Making out with your girlfriend isn't a sin, unless it involves sex. Even having the desire to have a sexual relationship with her, isn't a sin, it's part of your biology. Having sex outside of marriage of course is a sin, but that's not what you're telling us in your post. I think you need to be careful about becoming scrupulous. Jim __________________ "God can not be grasped except through love."

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Ad Orientem  Regular Member   Join Date: February 22, 2013 Posts: 902 Religion: Catholic

Re: Made a bad Confession Quote: Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS  Making out with your girlfriend isn't a sin, unless it involves sex. I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. Jesus said it is possible to commit a mortal sin with as much as a lustful look (cf. Matt. 5). Granted, not everyone is full of lust when they kiss someone, but "making out" -- at least as I understand the term -- goes way beyond a mere show of affection. It is one thing to have natural desires; quite another deliberately to arouse and to place one another in near occasions of sin. Okay, don't be scrupulous -- you don't have to over-analyze every time you look at your girlfriend and think she's pretty. It's okay to be human. But don't throw caution to the wind ("If it's not sex it's okay.")

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JimR-OCDS  Veteran Member   Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,290 Religion: Catholic

Re: Made a bad Confession Quote: Originally Posted by Ad Orientem  I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. Jesus said it is possible to commit a mortal sin with as much as a lustful look (cf. Matt. 5). Granted, not everyone is full of lust when they kiss someone, but "making out" -- at least as I understand the term -- goes way beyond a mere show of affection. It is one thing to have natural desires; quite another deliberately to arouse and to place one another in near occasions of sin. Okay, don't be scrupulous -- you don't have to over-analyze every time you look at your girlfriend and think she's pretty. It's okay to be human. But don't throw caution to the wind ("If it's not sex it's okay.") Looking lustfully at another married woman, is what Jesus was talking about, not being affectionate with one's girl friend who could one day become his wife. What you're saying could cause a person to become psychotic as they inordinately suppress their natural desires. Sexual desire is part of our biology, along with the desire to show and feel affection with a potential mate. Making out without sex or inappropriate touching is not sinful in the least. Jim __________________ "God can not be grasped except through love."

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travissbeloved New Member   Join Date: October 30, 2013 Posts: 70 Religion: Roman Catholic

Charity while discussing apologetics Recently I got into a bit of a heated debate with someone on here who is Catholic and this person just was not willing to accept what I was saying was the truth. I pointed it out in the catechism but he then decided he no longer wanted to be Catholic if that's what Catholics believe. Now I feel very bad about it. I would never want to direct someone AWAY from Catholicism. As a parish Director of Religious Education I strive to help people become closer to Jesus and the Catholic Church. So my question is this. If someone simply doesn't like the truth.....do we push it? Or do we just kind of give in to what they're saying? I kept pushing the fact that this certain thing is allowable according to the catechism and that pushed him away from the church but I did not want to speak something that is not true. So what do you do?

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Della Forum Master   Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 13,139 Religion: Catholic

Re: Charity while discussing apologetics Sounds like he was trying emotionally blackmail you because he didn't want to accept what the CCC says. Don't worry about it. This kind of thing is on par with a three year old holding his breath until he gets what he wants. Childish behavior if you ask me. __________________ The external deserts in the world are growing, because the internal deserts have become so vast. -- Pope Benedict XVI Tiber Swim Team, Class of '87. Inklings! "Sanctum erit, facere bonum" Della's blog: http://dellakmg.blogspot.com/

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Randy Carson Veteran Member   Join Date: September 22, 2006 Posts: 11,335 Religion: Protestant Convert to Catholicism

Re: Charity while discussing apologetics Quote: Originally Posted by travissbeloved Recently I got into a bit of a heated debate with someone on here who is Catholic and this person just was not willing to accept what I was saying was the truth. I pointed it out in the catechism but he then decided he no longer wanted to be Catholic if that's what Catholics believe. Now I feel very bad about it. I would never want to direct someone AWAY from Catholicism. As a parish Director of Religious Education I strive to help people become closer to Jesus and the Catholic Church. So my question is this. If someone simply doesn't like the truth.....do we push it? Or do we just kind of give in to what they're saying? I kept pushing the fact that this certain thing is allowable according to the catechism and that pushed him away from the church but I did not want to speak something that is not true. So what do you do? Sounds like he is not angry at you but at the Church and its teachings. You directed that person to the truth; his reaction to it is his responsibility. However, time will tell...it may be that at some point in the future, he sees that you were correct in sharing the truth faithfully. Be at peace. __________________ Tiber Swim Team - Class of '79 I'm a Catholic. You have questions. Let's get started.

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robert chacon Junior Member   Join Date: May 22, 2013 Posts: 107 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Charity while discussing apologetics Another thing to keep in mind is that there seems to be a number of "trolls" on this site who pretend to be Catholic only to spout confusion if not heretical notions. Anyone who's faith is that precarious that they say they are leaving the Church after a discussion with you is either mentally unstable to begin with, or simply a fake. All we can do is pray for forgiveness if we somehow there was something we did wrong and pray for the soul of this person. Otherwise, dont worry! God bless for your concern!

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travissbeloved New Member   Join Date: October 30, 2013 Posts: 70 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Charity while discussing apologetics Thank you everyone for your kind responses. They help me to be at peace.

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FathersKnowBest Junior Member   Join Date: April 1, 2009 Posts: 276 Religion: Catholic

Re: Charity while discussing apologetics Quote: Originally Posted by travissbeloved Recently I got into a bit of a heated debate with someone on here who is Catholic and this person just was not willing to accept what I was saying was the truth. I pointed it out in the catechism but he then decided he no longer wanted to be Catholic if that's what Catholics believe. Now I feel very bad about it. I would never want to direct someone AWAY from Catholicism. As a parish Director of Religious Education I strive to help people become closer to Jesus and the Catholic Church. So my question is this. If someone simply doesn't like the truth.....do we push it? Or do we just kind of give in to what they're saying? I kept pushing the fact that this certain thing is allowable according to the catechism and that pushed him away from the church but I did not want to speak something that is not true. So what do you do? I am not aware of the discussion, but if what you say is true, and assuming you followed 1Pe3:15, especially the last phrase, then it may be a case where this person might be better off re-examining his beliefs. Their beliefs, their faith, may have been grounded in rocky soil. As an example, our Lord taught the Truth straight-out in John 6. Though, sadly, many disciples left, He still maintained the Truth. Pray that they may be led back to the Church through the intercession of the Holy Spirit.